KimSia Sim

@kimsia

I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security
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Advice for choosing color palette?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

oh thanks for this!

Advice for choosing color palette?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Thank you for this. How to choose the 3 colors? the 60-30-10 is about proportion or what Craig says background-typography-accents, but even Craig didn't really say how to choose the 3 colors.

Why Marc is removing webpack from wip.co website? What went wrong with webpack?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Thank you Spencer

Why Marc is removing webpack from wip.co website? What went wrong with webpack?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

So what do you use if not webpack?

I love learning everything I can, fixing things and building things :D I currently run https://www.chocolab.com.au. Before that I worked as a UX Engineer.

@kimsia I would imagine he moved to import map, which is the rails 7 default - github.com/rails/importmap-ra…

Their rationale is here: world.hey.com/dhh/rails-7-wil…

I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Thank you Spencer

Maker of WIP amongst other things.

jsbundling but also considering import map as @swalden mentioned

Why Marc is removing webpack from wip.co website? What went wrong with webpack?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

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ROR or django, For saas business?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

If I can go back in time I will say to my previous self

“success is a multi variate function”

If under different circumstances eg i have enough free time under no work pressures will find django and react still too much?

Will a different person with my exact circumstances come to same conclusions?

I have to be intellectually honest

Not necessarily

Out of the same honesty value was it too much for me?

Yes and for the foreseeable future as well

For what I want to accomplish do I absolutely need react? No

Hence my conclusion is highly personal to my unique circumstances and my own innate capacity

Different people may reach different conclusions.

I make no sweeping statements about django or react in and of itself.

My comment only covers the interaction of my experience with those domains plus my circumstances

I can tell you I spent a lot of money trying to be good at react close to 1500 dollars over a few years

I really tried

ROR or django, For saas business?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Welcome 🙏

There is no “should”

Personally I thought be better for me if i learn how to do headless ie split into django backend and then react frontend.

I did kinda do that for that client project I told you from earlier.

Looking back I will say it’s a mistake.

In order to master react I needed time I don’t have.

Now my frontend is horribly outdated and I have no time to properly improve it

Ultimately my goal is same as you : build a product like a SaaS and run it as owner

If u need nice Ajax effects u can always try htmx which is good enough

Now I’m trying to slowly transition away from react to htmx.

I now agree with the philosophy of run less software by intercom. Google that article read it then hopefully you understand. I regret not knowing this earlier but like I said nothing is truly wasted. Just a matter of going shorter route or the longer route.

I love learning everything I can, fixing things and building things :D I currently run https://www.chocolab.com.au. Before that I worked as a UX Engineer.

@kimsia In regards to react, you basically decided the time investment of both mastering Django and React together is too high so you wanted a simpler frontend? is that right?

I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

If I can go back in time I will say to my previous self

“success is a multi variate function”

If under different circumstances eg i have enough free time under no work pressures will find django and react still too much?

Will a different person with my exact circumstances come to same conclusions?

I have to be intellectually honest

Not necessarily

Out of the same honesty value was it too much for me?

Yes and for the foreseeable future as well

For what I want to accomplish do I absolutely need react? No

Hence my conclusion is highly personal to my unique circumstances and my own innate capacity

Different people may reach different conclusions.

I make no sweeping statements about django or react in and of itself.

My comment only covers the interaction of my experience with those domains plus my circumstances

I can tell you I spent a lot of money trying to be good at react close to 1500 dollars over a few years

I really tried

ROR or django, For saas business?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

There are only two mistakes you can make:

  1. you picked the "wrong" framework as in you should have picked the other framework.
  2. you wasted time debating yourself what to pick longer than necessary.

the first one is not as problematic as the second. let me explain.

  1. it is reversible. so once you realized you made a wrong choice, you can simply stopped and switched. yes, the time spent previously is lost but is not a complete loss because a lot of the concepts can be carried over as both follow the MVC structure. Django calls it MTV but is different names for the same thing. any experience building a website with one framework also can be reused when you switched to another framework because the experience is more to do with the nature of website building than the specific framework itself.

  2. you need to debate with your self but beyond a certain point any additional debating is a waste and this is a complete waste. none of the time spending extra debate / research is transferable to any django or ror frameworks. none of the time spending extra debate / research is transferable to the general experience of building websites.

so once again pick the lesser of two evils. Do enough research set out a criteria, then apply that criteria and choose. Dive in deeply into one framework. Set a timebox on when to re-evaluate your choice. I recommend evaluating after building 3 mini sized websites or 6 months of part time building at abt 10 hrs a week at least, whichever is longer. If you can build full time (i.e. abt 30-40 hrs a week), then shorten to 3 mini-sized websites or 2 months of full time whichever is longer.

That should cover most edge cases i can think of.

Learning how to create a bootstrapped businesses from scratch. And also Building a 🚢 shipping muscle. 💪

@kimsia I appreciated your response. I think for now I'll go with Django. After 3-4 products. I'll see if I want to change the framework. Thanks for clearing my doubt. Also, if I'm going with Django. What should I do? do I first learn the full framework or just learn the API part and for the frontend, should I learn react.js?

I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Welcome 🙏

There is no “should”

Personally I thought be better for me if i learn how to do headless ie split into django backend and then react frontend.

I did kinda do that for that client project I told you from earlier.

Looking back I will say it’s a mistake.

In order to master react I needed time I don’t have.

Now my frontend is horribly outdated and I have no time to properly improve it

Ultimately my goal is same as you : build a product like a SaaS and run it as owner

If u need nice Ajax effects u can always try htmx which is good enough

Now I’m trying to slowly transition away from react to htmx.

I now agree with the philosophy of run less software by intercom. Google that article read it then hopefully you understand. I regret not knowing this earlier but like I said nothing is truly wasted. Just a matter of going shorter route or the longer route.

I love learning everything I can, fixing things and building things :D I currently run https://www.chocolab.com.au. Before that I worked as a UX Engineer.

@kimsia In regards to react, you basically decided the time investment of both mastering Django and React together is too high so you wanted a simpler frontend? is that right?

I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

If I can go back in time I will say to my previous self

“success is a multi variate function”

If under different circumstances eg i have enough free time under no work pressures will find django and react still too much?

Will a different person with my exact circumstances come to same conclusions?

I have to be intellectually honest

Not necessarily

Out of the same honesty value was it too much for me?

Yes and for the foreseeable future as well

For what I want to accomplish do I absolutely need react? No

Hence my conclusion is highly personal to my unique circumstances and my own innate capacity

Different people may reach different conclusions.

I make no sweeping statements about django or react in and of itself.

My comment only covers the interaction of my experience with those domains plus my circumstances

I can tell you I spent a lot of money trying to be good at react close to 1500 dollars over a few years

I really tried

ROR or django, For saas business?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Pick the one you’re more familiar with.

I was equally familiar with both abt 3-4 years ago when I started with a new client project when I had to pick a framework. Which meant at that time about zero.

Abt > 10 years before I used rails 2 in a stock market simulator project. Then I was project managing a django project and sometimes I had to go in and look at the code and help with small changes.

In the end I decided to pick django simply because I wanted to learn python.

Both are good enough

In fact I’m here in WIP because I’m my journey to learn django I “internet met” @jefftriplett who gave me invite here.

I faced this X and Y problem many years ago (>15 y ago). I was also told both are good enough. While intellectually I understood, I still persisted research.

Which was a waste of time.

Not saying you will also do that but if you do I understand and emphathize. Been there done that.

All I can say is this: either you pick a framework and move on to more impt stuff like understanding your user problem

Or

You spend more time researching like I once did.

I know the pain of using extra research as a way to procrastinate which is why about 3-4 years ago I decided to leave the php ecosystem when taking on a new client project, I needed to choose again. This time, I didn’t spend too much time with such research I did a cursory one between python and ruby and Javascript

Then between flask and django

Then that’s it.

Being intentional to be better in any framework or language matters more than the choice of language or framework

This is true for web technology afaik

Good luck 🤞

How to market my product?
I’m building GreenDeploy.io while doing automation projects for MNC clients. Autonomy >>> max economic gain or max security

Start with an audience group you like or even better yet already a part of.

Why?

  1. It's very unlikely you dislike an audience group you're part of.
  2. It's very unlikely you cannot connect with an audience group you're part of.
  3. It's very unlikely you cannot understand deeply the kind of specific pain points or pressing needs of your fellow tribe members from the same audience group you're part of.

Tho it's possible you belong to an audience group that cannot pay or cannot pay enough for your efforts. But if you find something pressing or important enough, someone will pay...

There are many ways things can go wrong.

Let's start with the build first approach.

  1. You build a product but cannot get easy access to audience.
  2. You build a product can get easy access to audience but they not interested.
  3. You build a product can get easy access, they interested, but they cannot pay or cannot pay enough to make it worth your effort.

These 3 are for the build first approach.

Then the audience first approach (which i prefer) also can have many things wrong.

  1. You find an audience but you cannot connect with them.
  2. You find an audience you can connect with them, but you don't like them so you cannot stay connected with them for long.
  3. You find an audience, you can connect with them, you like them but you cannot build the things that solve their pressing needs or pain points.
  4. you find an audience you can connect with them, you like them, you can build but they cannot pay or pay enough to make it worth your effort.

The problems with build first tend to be the mirror image of audience first and vice versa.

Of all the problems i have, the least problem is building. Hence i choose the audience first approach. If i can find an audience and i like working with them and understanding them, and they can afford to pay, eventually i will be able to build something that works for them.

Case in point is my current revenue source a MNC client who can afford to pay, the main people i work with are nice and competent, tho i think some of the instructions from their upper management are a bit suboptimal and a small minority of the end users are not very good at their work which impacts me, and they asked me to build something i had no experience building and was complicated but eventually i figured it out .

Even tho it was not perfect and a bit 💩 but they kept using it cause it was so important for them.

Every time i build something before talking to any target audience or is a group i'm not already part of, it always fails.

Your mileage may vary.