Jason Leow
@jasonleow
X defs sucks you in for sure.
I try to:
Timebox my screentime there, ~1h per day.
Mute/block trolls, haters and toxic folks liberally.
Use the Following feed or a list and go straight to the profile pages of folks I want to follow closely.
Avoid replying to drama, rage bait, etc, even from accounts i follow
Tweet build in public stuff, thoughts, thoughtful posts, jokes.
Engage mostly within my circle. When tweet goes viral and extends outside circle, i'm selective with those replies I engage with.
Great tips! Thanks.
Yeah, time-blocking seems like a good way to do this. I might need to block it in Chrome by default and only allow myself a certain amount per day in a time block.
Ah i see. Hmm for WIP data related questions, I can think of: how much % tasks spent on coding vs marketing, which time of year am I most productive, any patterns of highs and lows of work, which product has the best streaks, what kind of tasks i do the most, are they busy work or work that moves the needle on revenue. "I have this problem, who else had solved it or working on it before." "I have an idea, how many other WIP indies had built it, launched it, made it profitable."
Will crunch numbers and find patterns, like how much time spent marketing vs building, revenue ups and downs, who are my customers, how much they spend, how often, how many recurring, from which countries, which profile spends the most, which plan has most customers, was there a spike in traffic when i tried this marketing hack, did this feature bring more customers etc etc. Do foresee might haver to upload or sync other data like from stripe or analytics to be able to answer those questions
I see. That would indeed require a many other data sources as well. Not sure that's a direction I'm willing to go, but perhaps I can provide WIP as a data source so service offering these kind of services. (I think ChatGPT will do this at some point)
Ah i see. Hmm for WIP data related questions, I can think of: how much % tasks spent on coding vs marketing, which time of year am I most productive, any patterns of highs and lows of work, which product has the best streaks, what kind of tasks i do the most, are they busy work or work that moves the needle on revenue. "I have this problem, who else had solved it or working on it before." "I have an idea, how many other WIP indies had built it, launched it, made it profitable."
@marc You know how you can upload an excel sheet and chat with gpt about it, ask it to crunch numbers and analyse, spot opportunities ? Imagine uploading the entire logs of a product and asking wip ai anything related to it
Ah right. Yeah that's what I'm getting at with this post. What questions would you ask this WIP AI?
Will crunch numbers and find patterns, like how much time spent marketing vs building, revenue ups and downs, who are my customers, how much they spend, how often, how many recurring, from which countries, which profile spends the most, which plan has most customers, was there a spike in traffic when i tried this marketing hack, did this feature bring more customers etc etc. Do foresee might haver to upload or sync other data like from stripe or analytics to be able to answer those questions
I see. That would indeed require a many other data sources as well. Not sure that's a direction I'm willing to go, but perhaps I can provide WIP as a data source so service offering these kind of services. (I think ChatGPT will do this at some point)
Ah i see. Hmm for WIP data related questions, I can think of: how much % tasks spent on coding vs marketing, which time of year am I most productive, any patterns of highs and lows of work, which product has the best streaks, what kind of tasks i do the most, are they busy work or work that moves the needle on revenue. "I have this problem, who else had solved it or working on it before." "I have an idea, how many other WIP indies had built it, launched it, made it profitable."
Chat about my product the same way I can chat about an excel sheet.
What does this mean? 😅
@marc You know how you can upload an excel sheet and chat with gpt about it, ask it to crunch numbers and analyse, spot opportunities ? Imagine uploading the entire logs of a product and asking wip ai anything related to it
Ah right. Yeah that's what I'm getting at with this post. What questions would you ask this WIP AI?
Will crunch numbers and find patterns, like how much time spent marketing vs building, revenue ups and downs, who are my customers, how much they spend, how often, how many recurring, from which countries, which profile spends the most, which plan has most customers, was there a spike in traffic when i tried this marketing hack, did this feature bring more customers etc etc. Do foresee might haver to upload or sync other data like from stripe or analytics to be able to answer those questions
I see. That would indeed require a many other data sources as well. Not sure that's a direction I'm willing to go, but perhaps I can provide WIP as a data source so service offering these kind of services. (I think ChatGPT will do this at some point)
Ah i see. Hmm for WIP data related questions, I can think of: how much % tasks spent on coding vs marketing, which time of year am I most productive, any patterns of highs and lows of work, which product has the best streaks, what kind of tasks i do the most, are they busy work or work that moves the needle on revenue. "I have this problem, who else had solved it or working on it before." "I have an idea, how many other WIP indies had built it, launched it, made it profitable."
Depends what kind of learner your sibling/friend is. Self-directed, intrinsically motivated and prefer learning by doing? Then just start building something small. Pick up bits and pieces of code and knowledge along the way.
But if learner style is more mainstream/traditional, prefer classes, theory than practice, having a tutor handholding, then take Udemy or Youtube courses first.
Re: openai integration, how about pre built modules for popular ai tasks like image generation (dalle), chat with pdf/doc (gpt4), speech to text (whisper), etc
A few others I've seen:
- admin dashboard
- roadmap
- chatbot
- openAI integration
Btw let me know when you launch! Will add to my SaaS Starters directory (listskit.com/saasstarters/).
Will do!
Technically did launch last year but will submit once I've gotten the next phase done :)
I already have the admin dashboard done (Laravel is really spoiled with tools like Nova and Filament).
Roadmap is a good one! OpenAI integration as well I've been thinking on doing, there's packages for it, but not sure what to add beyond just the default installation.
Re: openai integration, how about pre built modules for popular ai tasks like image generation (dalle), chat with pdf/doc (gpt4), speech to text (whisper), etc
Adding to that:
- Login/Logout
- Account settings (super important imho)
- privacy page
- cookie banner
Missed this comment!
Yeah, Laravel already gives auth & account settings for free with Jetstream, Breeze or Fortify packages ;)
Got T&Cs and Privacy pages, have added cookie banner over the weekend.

It depends on your niche. Some directories make money by selling sponsorships to brands, some by membership, some from ads sense.
Selling point is usually info aggregation where the info is usually hard to gather or make sense. So it can be in any industry or niche.
People come to you searching for an answer or a resource. So usually a good directory has great SEO, target high volume or niche keywords. That's marketing.
Ah, infor that is hard to gather or make sense, actually makes sense.
How do you decide whether ads or memberships or selling to brands are more suitable for which niche? They all just kinda look somewhat the same to me right now.
SEO is still the stuff I don’t really understand, it seems. I do get content marketing, but I’m not sure how a directory would lead to SEO.
Whether ads/membership/brand sponsor, it again depends on the opportunities in your market. Just got to trial and error to see which works. In general I try to get to high traffic first or high word-of-mouth either via SEO or content marketing or social media, then it becomes valuable. Then can try diff ways to monetize.
SEO for directory means optimising for keywords for your niche. What words do people use to search for the problem your directory is trying to solve. Use those. Like for Lists Kit, I'm still figuring out if the main keyword is "business directory" or "info directory".. (or listing)
That's super useful, @jasonleow. I'm curious what do you mean by high traffic — and at which point it is considered high traffic.
Do you have a process you use to figure out the keyword? Like for Lists kit, do you try them both and see which one gets a better result? And is there a specific testing timeframe before you conclude?
If both don't seem to get results, then how do you proceed? Just curious about your thought processes and the what if scenarios if you're open to share!
Re: high traffic, I dunno either. Maybe 10k impressions per month is high. But again, depends on your niche/audience. If very niche and small community, traffic is low but if you serve their needs well, maybe conversion is better. High traffic but doesn't convert is also not too beneficial.
Speaking to users is one way to find keywords. What terms do they use. It helps if you're also a user, so you can dogfood your own directory. Otherwise, ask ChatGPT to suggest some, and research on Ahrefs/SEMrush. No actually you dont need to test. Just research on Ahrefs and you'll know which keywords has more search volume and competition.
If no results, maybe speak to users, and ask why? Might need to iterate or pivot.