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I don't care too much about the debate. Has their model evolved and gone into the wrong direction? Potentially. Should we throw stones at them until they fix it? Nah. It's fine if they die.
I'm more excited about the new builds that will bridge the gap for indie makers. I think @marc will potentially do something with BetaList, and Dragobert is building LaunchDay: x.com/dagorenouf/status/18407…
woah the replies on that dogobert thread are insane, so many alternatives, surely one will make it !
Yeah, I’m actually excited for that launch haha
I'm genuinely surprised there hasn't been a competitor sooner. This looks like a train wreck, and worst, it seems like they're not being transparent on what the criteria is to get featured (except throw a lot of money at PH or game the system).
Anyway, I love seeing it when a competitor surfaces to either make the original level up and get its shit together or die a painful death.
Either way, I've got popcorn ready.
I think there have been lots of competitors, but they don't really stick cos it's a huge job to make something new and then keep people engaged, and then keep out spammers too!
haha yeah good entertainment 🍿, first time I've been engaged in maker stuff on twitter for ages
/r/startups is a good one, but don't place any links. Their mods are brutal.
That is very good pricing. Even self-service options like Turbo Tax are about $500 per entity
Welcome Sergio! Looking forward to see your builds
@Paulina Yes, I did about a year and a half of free work (while working FT); this was either comprised of workshops or 1:1s. From there, I started eventually getting paid for the 1:1s, and a few small engagements came out of the workshops.
Side Note: At that time I did not have at that time I did not have an engagement mechanism (newsletter or email marketing). So I didn't really have a system in place to nurture and convert relationships. That's where the 1:1s came in handy; but it was all passive (again -- at that time it was a side thing for me)
there used to be! I think the feature got removed
Happy to chat more in detail -- seems like it is very similar to my work with #addison
the main challenge with non-dev roles is the trust/authority factor -- people will place a bigger emphasis on the relationship.
How I kickstarted my fractional CFO work was mainly through "marketing through teaching", doing webinars, live workshops, and 1:1 coaching around startup finance and capital raising. This was in collaboration with accelerators and word-of-mouth. From here, I started building a brand/reputation in the startup community, and slowly got to convert attendees into formal engagements.
Currently, I am transitioning into more "aggressive" lead generation, meaning focusing more on outbound prospecting because it is more predictable and I can focus on higher quality leads (higher ticket and/or higher probability). "Marketing through teaching" is very good to establish yourself as a trusted expert, but it takes more time to build predictable momentum given that it is more of a "catch-all" method, and audience tends to lack immediate-intent.
I am still figuring out my outbound prospecting strategy, but I'd recommend you to have 2-3 lead magnets in the area which you're looking to focus on and start doing outreach to your target customer profile.
Take a look at companies that have recently joined or graduated from accelerator companies, or recently vc-backed companies. Those could be good targets for you to start with.
This is really hepful! I appreciate the detailed response.
"Marketing through teaching" (or showing) is more or less the approach I was looking to follow.
Yeah recently funded companies are looking for ways to grow quickly. But I feel like I would need a couple of success cases first though. Did you do any free work at the beginning?
I want to leverage my LinkedIn audience to promote my service there. Hopefully all can fall within the #upgroves umbrella.
@Paulina Yes, I did about a year and a half of free work (while working FT); this was either comprised of workshops or 1:1s. From there, I started eventually getting paid for the 1:1s, and a few small engagements came out of the workshops.
Side Note: At that time I did not have at that time I did not have an engagement mechanism (newsletter or email marketing). So I didn't really have a system in place to nurture and convert relationships. That's where the 1:1s came in handy; but it was all passive (again -- at that time it was a side thing for me)
yes, correct -- thats a great way to put it
Yeah, I’m actually excited for that launch haha