"Write a 5-star review and get put in a raffle to win a prize."
Hahaha, a very interesting concept, you know. It's not "write a review", but "write a (exactly) 5-star review" - quite a difference =)
Hehe, lucky me then, thanks again for spreading the word. And it's cool that you like learning new languages, smth I envy a bit, as I mostly learned mine out of need rather like fun projects. I should reflect on that, hehe π
For the demo: you are absolutely right, if I do that, it should be a real video, good point.
If you create a product where it's an AI with voice AND writing functionality that's trained in languages that is essentially like italki but without having to talk to a real person (you know, introvert things lol)
Hehe, actually, you've just described more-or-less the idea that I was working on before I pivoted to the side-quest with the Talk To Locals tool.
I wasn't considering the writing practice, though, only speech one, but that's a very good feedback to consider.
As for "if that technology actually exists at the level", it depends. I tried with a few models, and they are quite good if the target is language practice. However, actual teaching, like "Hey, Cat, you said THIS, but it should have been THAT" is not as good as the human tutor, especially with the speech.
I'll see how far I can get with tweaking it, though.
Nevertheless, it's good to hear that you find such a (future) tool useful, so let's stay tuned: one day (hopefully, soonish, but definitely not before my summer holidays), I might reach out to hear your opinion on the educational part of it, if that's fine - like you said "let me play with it", hehe π
1.) For the reviews, I think it can be a tricky line to walk because people naturally assume it has to be a ~positive~ review to qualify to win. (After all, would we assume if a product sucks, we write an honest review about why that product sucks (giving constructive feedback and not "you suck"), then we win a prize over someone who wrote a glowing (if disingenuous) review? Probably not. The implicit requirement is to write a positive review, even if it's not verbalized. Humans are humans, after all.
2.) Demo: Yep! Depending on your brand vibe, you can go more educational (just straight-up showing people how to use it practically) or comedic (putting together a skit of someone talking to you, being a little over-the-top with having an idea, pulling out your phone, zooming in on just the screen while you show how your app works, then actually using the app to have a conversation. You can do this in easily 60 seconds.
3.) The Google Translate comments from others: This was exactly what I was referencing in my original post when I said the blog clarified things. It's way more valuable (and less intrusive, it sounds like) than Google Translate. It's worth putting that on the home page for people who aren't a little weird like me and read blogs lol
4.) Other language app: What you were describing ("here's what you got wrong, here's what it should be, and why") would be exactly what makes it so valuable. I'm sure in a few years, AI will get to that point, though! They've already made some conversational AIs, though I haven't seen one that's conversational (at a high level) AND written. One day, I hope!
5.) Languages in general: I've been obsessed with languages since before I can remember, and my childhood goal was to learn every language so Starfleet would recruit me to make first contact with aliens. (I've been watching Star Trek since I was 2, so I had unrealistic expectations from the start lol.) Not only am I obsessed with actual languages, but I have a cultural anthropology degree with a linguistics background (and neuropsych degree with a focus on language acquisition), have studied conlangs (Klingon (duh), Esperanto, and most recently Toki Pona), and I create conlangs for games π€£ You can say it's kinda my thing. I might not know the tech behind how to make something like this works, but I've got the science if you needed help :)
About reviews: while I get what you mean and, tbh, I do agree with that in general, still feels a bit wrong, as
giving constructive feedback and not "you suck"
is both super helpful and takes time to compile.
On the other hand, the context is important: folks on WIP ask for honest feedback about their landing pages, while for some companies these "price for the review" is a pure marketing campaign to increase the visibility and brand awareness. Therefore, the desired outcome is different for those 2 cases.
Demo: thanks for the hints, I'll digest that and start an actor's career, hehe
Google Translate: yes, +42 to this
who aren't a little weird like me and read blogs lol
hehe, that's a cool type of weirdness.
About the language app: when you mentioned
I haven't seen one that's conversational (at a high level) AND written
what did you mean by "conversational and written"? Is it that the app supports both speech-to-speech communication and text chat ones? Or is it about the fact that the speech conversation is transcribed into text and then somehow processed?
Starfleet would recruit me to make first contact with aliens
Honestly (no kidding here), that's one of the coolest motivations I've heard since forever. I see how you came this far with the languages then π
have studied conlangs (Klingon (duh), Esperanto, and most recently Toki Pona),
Wow! Tbh, I've never heard of Toki Pona before, so had to google that one.
Now, I'm curious about 2 things, if I may:
- is Klingon somehow standardized? What I mean that if, let's say, I learn it from the source A, and you - from the source B, would we be able to communicate after all? π It would be a bummer if the answer is "no"
- Was Esperanto as logically perfect and with no exceptions, as they say?
And, yeah, an impressive education you have.
Starfleet guys, come on, what are you waiting for?
Hahaha, a very interesting concept, you know. It's not "write a review", but "write a (exactly) 5-star review" - quite a difference =)
Hehe, lucky me then, thanks again for spreading the word. And it's cool that you like learning new languages, smth I envy a bit, as I mostly learned mine out of need rather like fun projects. I should reflect on that, hehe π
For the demo: you are absolutely right, if I do that, it should be a real video, good point.
Hehe, actually, you've just described more-or-less the idea that I was working on before I pivoted to the side-quest with the Talk To Locals tool.
I wasn't considering the writing practice, though, only speech one, but that's a very good feedback to consider.
As for "if that technology actually exists at the level", it depends. I tried with a few models, and they are quite good if the target is language practice. However, actual teaching, like "Hey, Cat, you said THIS, but it should have been THAT" is not as good as the human tutor, especially with the speech.
I'll see how far I can get with tweaking it, though.
Nevertheless, it's good to hear that you find such a (future) tool useful, so let's stay tuned: one day (hopefully, soonish, but definitely not before my summer holidays), I might reach out to hear your opinion on the educational part of it, if that's fine - like you said "let me play with it", hehe π
1.) For the reviews, I think it can be a tricky line to walk because people naturally assume it has to be a ~positive~ review to qualify to win. (After all, would we assume if a product sucks, we write an honest review about why that product sucks (giving constructive feedback and not "you suck"), then we win a prize over someone who wrote a glowing (if disingenuous) review? Probably not. The implicit requirement is to write a positive review, even if it's not verbalized. Humans are humans, after all.
2.) Demo: Yep! Depending on your brand vibe, you can go more educational (just straight-up showing people how to use it practically) or comedic (putting together a skit of someone talking to you, being a little over-the-top with having an idea, pulling out your phone, zooming in on just the screen while you show how your app works, then actually using the app to have a conversation. You can do this in easily 60 seconds.
3.) The Google Translate comments from others: This was exactly what I was referencing in my original post when I said the blog clarified things. It's way more valuable (and less intrusive, it sounds like) than Google Translate. It's worth putting that on the home page for people who aren't a little weird like me and read blogs lol
4.) Other language app: What you were describing ("here's what you got wrong, here's what it should be, and why") would be exactly what makes it so valuable. I'm sure in a few years, AI will get to that point, though! They've already made some conversational AIs, though I haven't seen one that's conversational (at a high level) AND written. One day, I hope!
5.) Languages in general: I've been obsessed with languages since before I can remember, and my childhood goal was to learn every language so Starfleet would recruit me to make first contact with aliens. (I've been watching Star Trek since I was 2, so I had unrealistic expectations from the start lol.) Not only am I obsessed with actual languages, but I have a cultural anthropology degree with a linguistics background (and neuropsych degree with a focus on language acquisition), have studied conlangs (Klingon (duh), Esperanto, and most recently Toki Pona), and I create conlangs for games π€£ You can say it's kinda my thing. I might not know the tech behind how to make something like this works, but I've got the science if you needed help :)
About reviews: while I get what you mean and, tbh, I do agree with that in general, still feels a bit wrong, as
is both super helpful and takes time to compile.
On the other hand, the context is important: folks on WIP ask for honest feedback about their landing pages, while for some companies these "price for the review" is a pure marketing campaign to increase the visibility and brand awareness. Therefore, the desired outcome is different for those 2 cases.
Demo: thanks for the hints, I'll digest that and start an actor's career, hehe
Google Translate: yes, +42 to this
hehe, that's a cool type of weirdness.
About the language app: when you mentioned
what did you mean by "conversational and written"? Is it that the app supports both speech-to-speech communication and text chat ones? Or is it about the fact that the speech conversation is transcribed into text and then somehow processed?
Honestly (no kidding here), that's one of the coolest motivations I've heard since forever. I see how you came this far with the languages then π
Wow! Tbh, I've never heard of Toki Pona before, so had to google that one.
Now, I'm curious about 2 things, if I may:
- is Klingon somehow standardized? What I mean that if, let's say, I learn it from the source A, and you - from the source B, would we be able to communicate after all? π It would be a bummer if the answer is "no"
- Was Esperanto as logically perfect and with no exceptions, as they say?
And, yeah, an impressive education you have.
Starfleet guys, come on, what are you waiting for?